Join us today and we interview one of our users, a multi-talented artist named Sage Suede. Listen to his music on Soundcloud here: https://soundcloud.com/sagesuede
Corie: My name is Corie, and I’m with ZenBusiness. Today I’m here with Sage Suede. Can you tell me a little bit about yourself?
Sage: Hi, my name’s Sage Suede. I’m a local musician and model in Austin, Texas. I’ve had my brand for a few years now. I started in 2015 and I just started a fashion brand for it, as well, some signed clothes on my website, and I formalized my business recently as an LLC with ZenBusiness.
Corie: That’s really cool. You said that you were doing clothes, as well, so is this kind of like a lifestyle brand that you’re working on?
Sage: I’d say it’s a lifestyle brand. I do a kind of a streetwear style because I want more of that fusion, and I have a lot of inspiration when it comes to casual clothing. I feel like I have a pretty good perspective as someone that’s been involved in modeling, and most of my clothes from thrift stores. That actually gives me a very variated style.
Sage Suede’s new hat: https://www.sagesuede.com/shop/snapback/
Corie: What were you doing before you started your business?
Sage: Before I started my business I was in college. I made a demo while I was in college at the recording studio there, and currently I’m still working full time in marketing because I jumped into this without so much capital. I’m learning on my way since I do pretty much everything myself.
Corie: That’s how a lot of entrepreneurs are, especially in the beginning. I think everybody is just trying to figure out how to get everything done. You said you were working in marketing now. Can you tell me about that a little bit?
Sage: Um, I’d rather not say specifically where, but I’m in senior marketing. So, I market to seniors.
Corie: That’s pretty cool, though.
Sage: Funny, I didn’t really realize that I was in senior marketing until I had to photoshop nose hair out of a stock photo.
Corie: Oh, that’s really funny. You’ve got to be getting some good experience, too, with marketing. Are you doing any PPC campaigns, stuff like that? Or is it mostly graphic marketing or the graphics side of marketing?
Sage: I do AdWords and Facebook ads, all kinds of social ads. I got into marketing originally because I had been building my social media and everything is Sage Suede. I thought that marketing was the best way for me to continue working towards my goals. I changed my major at the time. I graduated with supply chain as my major, but I did two internships and two co-ops. I ended up in marketing by the end of college.
Corie: That’s how things go sometimes. So, your business as Sage Suede, what inspired you to start this business? You said you were in marketing and then you were doing some modeling, but what really made you think, “Oh, man, this is where I want to head”?
Sage: It’s kind of always been my long-term pursuit and a passion project of mine. As a kid I played drums and piano and guitar and clarinet, and I started teaching myself beat production in sixth grade. It’s just something I’ve been doing for my whole life, and it’s reached a point where it sounds a lot better than it used to. I have reached a lot of challenges along the way with developing the music. With most artists nowadays on the radio, they have 40 people on an album or more and everybody’s expecting you to be at this quality level and it’s really a challenge to get there. I do feel I’m very close to that level, if not at that level. Now after having made my demo my new EP is going to be really good because I really honed in on those skills.
Corie: I think that artists these days almost have a task force behind them. There’s all the social media aspects and the online aspects, so it’s really hard to do by yourself. So I think it’s very admirable that you’re doing that.
Sage: Nowadays they kind of expect artists to reach a pretty big level before they’ll even sign them on or consider them anymore.
Corie: That’s the age of the Internet! Now there’s almost a trial period before they’re willing to check it out. You were talking about how this was something you’ve done for quite a while in your life. What made you decide to formalize it? You formed an LLC with us, right? What made you think: “This project is something that I should actually formalize and get the business.” I don’t know if you got an EIN, but did you open a bank account and everything? What made you decide, “This is the moment I need to formalize my business?”
Sage: There’s more than a few reasons. One of the main reasons was I’ve been Sage Suede online for about two years. I wanted to formalize it for the legal name so nobody would steal my name before I had a formal business. No one in the state of Texas is able to take that name now. I chose an LLC because I didn’t want my personal assets to be incorporated in the business. I’m starting a business, and I have to take a loss while I’m starting it and I can’t tie my entire life to it.
Corie: I think a lot of people don’t realize you should be keeping business assets separate from personal belongings. Even when a small project starts growing, it is so important to keep that liability separate.
Sage: And for tax reasons. I did expect to start making more of a profit this year since I started my online store and am creating products for it. I felt like I needed that tax filing just to be safe.
Corie: Yes, it’s better. Especially once you start selling products because then you have product liability. Do you have a full digital storefront or do you sell anywhere in person in Austin?
Sage: It’s all digital at the moment. I’m going to start selling it as merch at performances, but I’m waiting on the performances till I finish my EP. I did a lot when I was still in Boston, but when I moved back to Austin I didn’t even have a car, so I had to take off more time. Now I want to finish the EP first because it’s so much higher quality then I will I start performing again.
Corie: That’s understandable. We kind of talked about what inspired you, but did you have any particular people or artists that inspired you when you started to get into music?
Sage: That’s a hard question because there are so many different kinds of artists. My perspective is very global because I’m a polyglot, so I speak German, Portuguese, Spanish, a little Russian, and I’m all over the place with that. Languages have always been a passion of mine since I was a kid. A lot of my favorite artists are foreign bands, and I listen to music from all over the place. My perspective is really—I don’t want to be tooting my horn and say it’s unique—but it’s very different from where most people perceive music. There’s a lot of aspects that I really want to incorporate in my music. I do really enjoy hip-hop because the drums are very good. I would love to incorporate some more of that Brazilian style of drumming. I really like electronic music, so I’m very influenced by French electro, German electro house, and all kinds of stuff all over the world and that just all comes together as what I ended up putting out.
Corie: I look forward to hearing your new EP. What were you most afraid of when you started this venture? What really was scary for you?
Sage: That’s a hard question. It’s changed a lot over time. When I first started I was pretty scared of performing. I had a lot of stage fright. I did some classical music training as a kid. I was in band and I made it to area band for two years. I ended up quitting after my sophomore year of high school, but I was very serious about it. I practiced for five hours a day, but the problem was that I would get really nervous in front of people. Everybody always told me I was a state-quality musician, but I would always choke at the performances on stage. What I realized over time is that I actually do have a lot of performance experience. It’s not really something for me to be worried about. It’s still something to be a little bit nervous about, but it’s just because I actually care about how well I’m doing.
Corie: I think even super famous people who go on stage still get that moment of anxiety. At least I hope they do. Otherwise, they’re god level; they’re too cool.
Sage: That adrenaline is a good thing.
Corie: Maybe they can focus on it and use that. For you what was the most difficult part of starting your business?
Sage: I’ve had to do just about everything. It’s really challenging because I work full time in marketing and I’ve learned how to build websites during my marketing internships. I started audio editing really young, so I’ve gotten pretty good at it by now, but if you look at my demo, there’s still errors. I’ve gotten to this point by just consistently working towards it. Web design did take me awhile. I’m still having some issues with it.
Corie: It is hard, let me tell you. As a designer myself! It is a long road.
Sage: I had to learn graphic design. The new clothes I’m doing, I’m designing them. It is taking some time. I think it’s a time commitment, always additional time in my day. I really love doing it, so it’s worth the time, and I really want more people to see it. That’s part of the challenge, getting that open and available to everyone.
Corie: Yeah. It’s nice that you have a background in marketing so you can actually get a wider audience than most traditional artists or people who are creating their persona. It’s harder for them to get exposure. But since you have this experience, I feel like you’ve got a leg up on the competition.
Sage: Yeah, from artists that don’t have the marketing background.
Corie: Did you have any other big challenges when you were forming your business?
Sage: When I first started out I didn’t even know what name I wanted to use. I wanted to work with my friends on a band, but then nobody was really serious, so they didn’t stick around. I just kept working towards it, and that’s still what I’m doing now. So it’s just that constant work ethic.
Corie: I think it’s consistency and time, putting a little bit of time in every day. It’s habit formation. How did you find out about ZenBusiness to actually do the formation and paperwork for your company?
Sage: I found it on Google. I had heard of ZenBusiness before, so I was already familiar with it. I didn’t have any preconceptions, or they were all positive preconceptions, so it led me to just go ahead and try it.
Corie: Did you look into a lot of different companies on the internet for formation or did you ever consider going to a lawyer or someone in real life or were you like, “Eh, this will be fine”?
Sage: I tried working with some other systems before, but they all had like more than $70 for the filing fee. I don’t know any lawyers personally. Actually, I guess I know a few just because I work on Judges Hill, so it’s a lot of lawyers.
Corie: They’re all around. Our old office was over there.
Sage: I know that they generally charge more than $100 for an hour of consulting. So, I didn’t even consider that, but when I saw the $0 filing I knew it was going to be my best deal. It was a lot better for me because I still have a lot of costs just to set up my online presence and products and everything. For me to avoid any fees when starting my business, that’s a pretty big deal.
Corie: Were you ever worried about us possibly being a scam?
Sage: I might have worried about it a little bit, but I think I have friends that have also filed through here. I’m not totally sure. So, it was familiar to me.
Corie: I hope that our site looks legitimate enough, but we do get a lot of people that say, “How are you free?* Is it a scam?” and I say, “NO! Just go take care of it.”
Sage: I really liked the art design on this site. I saw blue indicates they’re doing a certain action.
Corie: You like it? I designed it! We did pay an illustrator for some of the illustrations. When I first got here I said, “Let’s have him do these,” but now I do the rest. So, Thanks! Can you tell me if there’s anything that you really loved about ZenBusiness or your experience forming your company with us?
Sage: I liked that it was cheap. I liked that it was pretty easy to do. I didn’t have any issues. It was filed within like two days. So it made everything, a lot easier for me. I did have a lot of concerns about the legality of starting a business and that I might not file it correctly if I did it by myself. So I liked that I was able to use the form fields that ZenBusiness has and have it in a professional format for when it’s sent to the state.
Corie: Can you tell me what advice would you give to other entrepreneurs or other people who are just starting out their own businesses? In music or otherwise.
Sage: I’d say, especially in music, don’t give up on what you’re doing because the business is really just a combination of all your time and your effort and everything you’re doing. Being all about the profit isn’t really correct for your business because most new businesses don’t profit for three years to five years after the formation. As you’re starting don’t let anybody talk you down, especially if you’re a musician, your music isn’t going to suit everybody’s tastes. Even if you’re the biggest musician in the world! You really have to let people say whatever they want about your stuff, but don’t take it personally because a lot of them will probably change their minds at times or they might like another song of yours.
Corie: A musician’s style changes over time, as well. So who knows what you’re going to be in the future, and, of course, you’re always advancing and learning, too. Would you ever recommend ZenBusiness to anybody? Would you be willing to recommend us right now?
Sage: Yeah, I would recommend ZenBusiness. I definitely had an easy time filing and I liked that it saved me money in the process.
Corie: How has your life changed since you started this business?
Sage: I’ve had it informally for a long time. I’m happier with it now that it’s formalized, it shows how serious I am and that it is a full thing that I’m investing in and it’s not just a side project when I have the money behind it. It’s motivated me more to keep working towards it just because of the additional costs. And I have about 50,000 followers already so…
Corie: WHAT! I didn’t know that. That’s crazy. Congratulations.
Sage: It’s mostly Instagram. Part of the challenge is getting people that are on different social sites to see what else I have or to go to my shop and all that. They want to like you as much as they can when they’re around on your social sites, but they don’t necessarily see anything else you make. So that’s part of the challenge.
Corie: Especially Instagram because it’s so visual, and, as an artist or as a music artist, that’s a whole other issue. But I guess they have video now, too.
Sage: I’m still trying to find good ways to schedule videos. It’s always been difficult.
Corie : What’s the next thing for your business? Your artist’s vision?
Sage: I’m finishing up my EP, and it’s called “Electro Papi.” It’s almost done. I’m about halfway done. I haven’t figured out how many tracks I’m going to do, but I’m thinking probably six tracks. I have a demo that’s already out. If you want to download that, that’s on my website. I also have 15 other free songs you get if you join my email list. I’m going to send one of the songs that’s from the upcoming EP so you guys can listen to it in this interview. I also have a YouTube channel, https://www.youtube.com/user/ALittleShock. So listen to my music there. I have a comedy series, and I talk about magic from different cultures all over the world. If that’s something that interests you. It’s something that interests me.
Corie: You have another whole section on YouTube that’s about magic, and a comedy series?
Sage: One of them is a superhero parody series where I’m a superhero, but he’s super petty, so he doesn’t really save people very often. I’m also going to start doing clothing giveaways as I add new products to my website. I’ll give away one item of clothing to someone that wins the raffle.
Entrants can sign up for my email list here and then they can express interest in giveaways during the contest period: https://mailchi.mp/6f35a19f1a9f/sage-awesome-giveaways-exclusives#header
The first giveaway is the hat I wore during the interview: http://www.SageSuede.com/Shop/Snapback.
Corie: Is there anything else you wanted to share with us today or anybody listening to this podcast? Maybe young artists, anything else you want to tell them?
Sage: Definitely don’t give up on your dreams if you are a person in music. I do think it’s worth it to get an LLC just to separate your personal assets. ZenBusiness can be a really good way to do that since they’re a local Austin business and they don’t charge you a filing fee.
Corie: Thank you so much for coming in today. I really appreciate it. And everybody who is out there please make sure you check out Sage Suede.
Sage: Thanks for having me.
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Download Sage Suede’s special Halloween track here for free: https://www.sagesuede.com/free-halloween-single/
This interview was edited for clarity and readability.
*This interview was recorded when ZenBusiness was offering free business formation. We have since adjusted our pricing structure, but are proud to still be the low-price leader in the industry.